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Notes/Domino 6 and 7 Forum

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RE: Then you are misinformed...
Nathan T. Freeman 14.May.03 02:07 PM a Web browser
Domino Server 6.0.1 Windows 2000


What can I do to assist in changing your impression?

Simple. Drop all the strategy/roadmap talk and do one thing consistently: use
the word "enterprise" in everything you say about Domino at all times.

I've been implementing this product in Fortune 1000 companies since version 2.
It has been plagued by EXACTLY the same problem for the last 12 years.
Industry perception is that Domino is not a high-end solution. They'll say "it
works, but it's not scalable." "Sure you can develop apps in a hurry, but you
can't do millions of transactions!" "Domino works when you stick to Domino, but
don't try to integrate anything."

It's the same refrain year after year and IBM has consistently undermined any
progress that gets made. When we finally got past the perception barrier that
Domino was a lousy HTTP server, we hear "Domino is not a web application
server" from IBM. When we finally get past the barrier that the object store
is non-relational, we hear "Domino's object store will be replaced with DB2."
(yes, I know this has been repositioned, but we still heard it.) When we
finally get past the barrier that Domino isn't a scalable mail solution, we
hear "the future of corporate email is Websphere/DB2, with no Domino
involved." (You didn't mean that it was the only future? Then why'd you call
it "NextGen?")

Why did the portal get moved from a Domino-branded solution to a Websphere
branded one? K-Station was a brilliant product that didn't need one lick of
J2EE to work. But off it went. Why? That's an enterprise solution, so I
guess it needed to be on the enterprise platform, and that apparently ain't
Domino.

There was a time, in the R5 product spec cycle, when Lotus really was
trumpeting the enterprise concept of Notes/Domino. "We're going to make the
world's best WAS, best e-mail, best knowledge system, and it's all Notes R5"
was the message coming from Lotus then. (Go back and check the announcements
if you doubt me.)

What happened to that product confidence? When it goes away, your audience is
left thinking "well, I guess they didn't deliver, and now they're trying to do
it over again."

The irony, of course, is that you *did* deliver, but the message denies that.
If I remember correctly, you yourself Alan stated that Domino wasn't
"enterprise middleware" here on LDD (maybe it was Art.... it's been a while.)
Look at the capabilities of LEI in ND6 and tell me seriously that Domino
doesn't aggregate enterprise content for application presentation. Look at the
product demos for ND7 and tell me that it's not *explicitly and classically* a
middleware solution! So SAY IT.

If IBM delivers the "Domino is an enterprise solution" message again,
consistently, then all will be well. People think Domino is going away because
they think that IBM regards it as a toy. Is that because of what the sales
reps say? Partly. But it's more because all the "serious" solutions put forth
by IBM software these days don't have the word "Domino" associated with them.

And that's a real shame.




Survey: Websphere Anyone? (Jerry Gassie 13.May.03)
. . Websphere either/or (Jerry Gassie 13.May.03)
. . RE: Survey: Websphere Anyone? (Karen Cooksley 13.May.03)
. . . . just curious, where to, and why? eo... (Ed Brill 13.May.03)
. . . . . . RE: just curious, where to, and why... (Karen Cooksley 13.May.03)
. . . . . . . . RE: just curious, where to, and why... (Ed Brill 14.May.03)
. . . . . . . . . . RE: just curious, where to, and why... (Karen Cooksley 14.May.03)
. . . . . . . . . . RE: just curious, where to, and why... (Stephen Lister 14.May.03)
. . . . . . . . . . . . IBM not helping (AJP FilmIT 14.May.03)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . RE: IBM not helping (Ed Brill 14.May.03)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . RE: IBM not helping (Stephen Lister 14.May.03)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . OK, I get that (Ed Brill 14.May.03)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . just like I posted above... (Alan Lepofsky 14.May.03)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . RE: just like I posted above... (Stephen Lister 14.May.03)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Here's PROOF (Radio Head 21.Jun.05)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Here's PROOF (Nathan T. Freem... 22.Jun.05)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . You're a man with a mission, Ed :-)... (Gerco Wolfswink... 15.May.03)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . RE: IBM not helping (AJP FilmIT 14.May.03)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Agreed. Marketing, advertising visi... (Andrew Price 14.May.03)
. . . . . . RE: just curious, where to, and why... (Neil Gower 14.May.03)
. . . . . . RE: just curious, where to, and why... (Nathan T. Freem... 14.May.03)
. . RE: Survey: Websphere Anyone? (Jerry Gassie 21.May.03)
. . RE: Survey: Websphere Anyone? (Neil Gower 13.May.03)
. . . . RE: Survey: Websphere Anyone? (Gerry Audette 13.May.03)
. . . . . . RE: Survey: Websphere Anyone? (benpoole 13.May.03)
. . . . . . . . *I think many of us get the impress... (Ben Langhinrich... 13.May.03)
. . . . . . . . . . Then you are misinformed... (Alan Lepofsky 13.May.03)
. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Then you are misinformed... (Neil Gower 14.May.03)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . What I heard about the WAS Sales pu... (David M. Taylor... 14.May.03)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please see my post above eom> (Alan Lepofsky 14.May.03)
. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Then you are misinformed... (Nathan T. Freem... 14.May.03)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . * 'IBM regards it as a toy' nails i... (Andrew Price 14.May.03)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . Hear! Hear! eom> (AJP FilmIT 14.May.03)
. . . . . . . . . . . . * Good to hear Alan. Thx. =B-) eom>... (Andrew Price 14.May.03)
. . . . . . . . . . . . Let's say "Have been misinformed" s... (Luke E Coverdal... 13.May.03)
. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Then you are misinformed... (Stephen Lister 13.May.03)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . the undermining is what worries me ... (Ken Yee 13.May.03)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . deleted> (Andrew Price 14.May.03)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . this is the problem... (Alan Lepofsky 14.May.03)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . That's exactly why I keep reminding... (Ken Yee 14.May.03)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . RE: this is the problem... (Radio Head 21.Jun.05)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . *that's what I've heard several tim... (Gerco Wolfswink... 14.May.03)
. . . . . . . . . . . . Preaching to the converted (AJP FilmIT 14.May.03)
. . . . . . . . . . That's just marketing tho' - no-one... (benpoole 13.May.03)
. . . . . . . . . . . . yeah, I can't imagine how many time... (Ed Brill 13.May.03)
. . . . * That echos my observations too. =... (Andrew Price 14.May.03)


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