Skip to main content
This forum is closed to new posts and responses. New discussions are now taking place in the IBM Developer Answers forum.
 
developerWorks
AIX and UNIX
Information Mgmt
Lotus
New to Lotus
Products
How to buy
Downloads
Live demos
Technical library
Training
Support
Forums & community
Events
Rational
Tivoli
WebSphere
Java™ technology
Linux
Open source
SOA and Web services
Web development
XML
My developerWorks
About dW
Submit content
Feedback



developerWorks  >  Lotus  >  Forums & community  >  Notes/Domino 8 Forum

Notes/Domino 8 Forum

Previous Next
Subject: Chat log from Second Life last night - Your Notes 8 questions answered
Feedback Type: Question
Product Area: Notes 8 Client
Technical Area: User Interface
Platform: Windows XP client
Release: Beta 2
Reproducible: Always

Jaymin Carthage: This is a general reception to celebrate the launching of Notes 8 in public beta.
Welcome! shouts: Welcome AndreAmaral Mills
Jaymin Carthage: Yes, I guess it's a few weeks late!
Jaymin Carthage: But mostly I wanted to invite our business partners, customers, and some of our developers together.
Jaymin Carthage: A conference call is good for one-to-many types of dialogs.
Jaymin Carthage: Email and chat are good for one-on-one dialogs.
Wayne1969 Homewood: Are IBM planning to do more of this type of thing? Can we see a SL lotussphere next year?
DanieleDP Aabye: avete gi partecipato a questo tipo di evento?
Daniel Korro: così disordinato no
Jaymin Carthage: Second Life has the advantage of capturing the many-to-many dialogs.
Lionello Rossini: no e voi?
Daniel Korro: adesso viediamo
Jaymin Carthage: We can all talk, move off into corners, and participate in several conversatoins.
Lionello Rossini: ok
Jaymin Carthage: Actually, there was a SL Lotusphere _this_ year! That's why this place got built.
Wayne1969 Homewood: hmm...missed that
Jaymin Carthage: We are considering ramping up our presence. But really it will be up to people like you.
Jaymin Carthage: This is, to some degree, an experiment.
Jaymin Carthage: You are welcome to give feedback via e-mail, via the surveys, or suggestion boxes as to how beneficial you find this sort of thing.
You: Is the reception now or in an hour
Jaymin Carthage: Daniel, do you want to talk about about how you are using Second Life.
Daniel Korro: Oh well :)
Jaymin Carthage: (The reception is now for the next two hours.)
Daniel Korro: I started using SL in late october but the first real useful meeting was this year's lotusphere
Welcome! shouts: Welcome Scott Spitz
Welcome! shouts: Welcome Stan Innis
Daniel Korro: IBM decided to run the first replay of the opening session here in SL
Jaymin Carthage: (It's still running, BTW, for those interested.)
Daniel Korro: And then I met Jaymin
Daniel Korro: So I'm here with my friends from the italian Domino user group (dominopoint.it)
Daniel Korro: we've also built an SL office
Taylor Bracken: Daniel - where is your sl office?
Daniel Korro: You may have noticed my friends with the dominopoint tshirt
Welcome! shouts: Welcome Chooch Enoch
Daniel Korro: Taylor, look for Dominopoint in SL group
Daniel Korro: there you find attached the note
Taylor Bracken: ok thanks
Daniel Korro: BTW the real master his Jaymin
You: how many rows are saved in the chat history window ?
Daniel Korro: he's building lot of neat stuff
Lotusphere Questionaire: Any comments on how we can make your second life experience with us better?
Lotusphere Questionaire: Please type your answer into the chat console.
Taylor Bracken: thanks for the survey
Lotusphere Questionaire: How do you think IBM could apply Second Life capabilities to help you in your business?
Lotusphere Questionaire: Please type your answer into the chat console.
Daniel Korro: ask him about his Sametime over the shoulder toy
Jaymin Carthage: You can click "history" to open a window. You can drag it around to maximize it.
Jaymin Carthage: There is also an option in your preferences to save your chat log to disk.
Jaymin Carthage: So how many people here are using the Notes Beta?
Nicolas Paravane: I am
Wayne1969 Homewood: yep
Lionello Rossini: i am
Daniel Korro: Me too
Welcome! shouts: Welcome Hawkwynd Slade
You: thanks
Jaymin Carthage: What do you consider the important new features of Notes 8.
Giuseppe Xeno: ancora deve iniziare?
Dominux Beery is Online
Nicolas Paravane: I guess the open office is one
Jaymin Carthage: Have people been getting the support they need from the Beta forum?
Jaymin Carthage: I've seen a lot of interest in the productiviy editors. More than I expected!
Daniel Korro: For me NSFDB2 and the plugin model based on eclipse
Lionello Rossini: i agree with Daniel
Taylor Bracken: I'd like to keep in contact with a rep - would it be possible to add someones contact info
Lionello Rossini: plug in model based on eclipse
Nicolas Paravane: Yep, I agree the possibility to update via update sites is great
Rune Rossini: will there be any arranged sessions here today?
Jaymin Carthage: I work in ISV technical enablement. You are welcome to friend me and ask me technical question anytime.
Taylor Bracken: Thanks Jaymin
Jaymin Carthage: Rune, this is just free form. We can talk about anything you like.
Rune Rossini: ok
Jaymin Carthage: We wanted to keep the first meeting less formal.
Rune Rossini: thats fine
Jaymin Carthage: I'm very excited about the Eclipse plugin model.
Welcome! shouts: Welcome Alonso Giovinazzo
Nicolas Paravane: Will the release of Notes8 be any faster?
Welcome! shouts: Welcome Alonso Giovinazzo
You: when will we get Beta 3
Lionello Rossini: how about performance?
Daniel Korro: Ed Brill reported the new beta (internal) is faster
Nicolas Paravane: the standard client is kind of slow
Jaymin Carthage: I know that performance is the focus of a lto fo the work at the moment.
Qtzar Moody: Any word on how long after the 8.0 release we will get to see the mac client ?
Qtzar Moody: And will it be built on eclipse 3.3 or 3.2 ?
Taylor Bracken: Suggestion Box Example
Jaymin Carthage: Do we have anyone from the mac side here?
Daniel Korro: Is notes 8 supporting the full JVM 1.5 spec, different from ST 7.5 ?
Jaymin Carthage: I know some people using it internally. They say it's pretty good. But that's just water cooler talk.
Welcome! shouts: Welcome DahraMon Tuck
Jaymin Carthage: Daniel, initially, no. Both Notes 8 and ST 7.5 are built on expeditor, which ships with the cut down JCL Desktop JVM.
Welcome! shouts: Welcome Dominux Beery
Jaymin Carthage: However you will have the option to run it with the full blown JVM.
Welcome! shouts: Welcome Puckbud Zymurgy
Giuseppe Xeno: will a "standard" notes developper with designer be able to build composite applications?
Jaymin Carthage: I _think_ that will be available for Notes 8.
Jaymin Carthage: Guiseppe, yes, you can build a composite app purely with Notes components.
Welcome! shouts: Welcome NZ Yue
Andor Looby: The beta client is a non-production build. I think M5, which will be available as production, will be faster because less debug output's happening
Daniel Korro: Any specific reason for JCL Desktop Vs JVM 1.5 ?
Welcome! shouts: Welcome Judy Bristol
Jaymin Carthage: There are a few extra LotusScript calls to publish things, and an editor to declare properties an dactions.
You: How do you feel about posting this chatlog on the web ?
Jaymin Carthage: But it should all be familiar to a normal Notes designer.
Stan Innis: Components for composite apps can be built using designer
Welcome! shouts: Welcome Gunnar Harrop
Welcome! shouts: Welcome Jabbing Paine
Jaymin Carthage: notessidan, I think it would be OK to post a log of this.
Stan Innis: Then use the CAE to assemble them into a composite
Jaymin Carthage: I believe that fits under SL's acceptable use conduct guidelines.
Stan Innis: You don't need java
DanieleDP Aabye: news for the designer 8.x? News for a tools that develop an application 2.0?
Stan Innis: A composite app can be all notes components
Andor Looby: I can talk about Designer
Jaymin Carthage: Please do Andor.
NZ Yue: Hi People
NZ Yue: Join IBM Lotus Group
Andor Looby: perhaps people could ask more specific questions. Have seen beta? Most of the new stuff is around composite apps
Welcome! shouts: Welcome Hermione Fadoodle
Daniel Korro: Yes, I've played around with CAE but still need to get some time to play around with wiring
Stan Innis: Has anyone build a composite app with the CAE
Daniel Korro: Maybe it's a stupid quesiton but...
Jaymin Carthage: The trick is to desgin good components. Then wiring is easy.
Stan Innis: With wiring?
Stan Innis: We have had lots of discussion about wiring
Stan Innis: Are we making it too hard?
Daniel Korro: is it possible to have "click-to-action" alike behaviour ? or it's only wiring based (i mean CA)
Welcome! shouts: Welcome Fasperk Larsen
Stan Innis: Right now it's wiring only
Andor Looby: I've used CAE though I'm not one of the developers of it.
Jaymin Carthage: Daniel, there are programmatic ways to do ad-hoc relationships.
Jaymin Carthage: But not quite the c2a of portal yet.
Andor Looby: What "click" would you like to click to cause an action?
Jaymin Carthage: It's hard to spontaneous add thigns to the UI in a rich client.
Daniel Korro: Ok, those ways should be made "simple" trough some easy to use library
Jaymin Carthage: I create a sideshelf component that listend for property changes without a wire.
Jaymin Carthage: You can do it, but it does require Java programming.
Welcome! shouts: Welcome Rune Rossini
Daniel Korro: let's say I'm on the name of a customer... i want to click on it and select which kind of drill down to execute
Andor Looby: the name of a customer on a Notes form?
Daniel Korro: With wiring if i click on it all wired parts "react"
Daniel Korro: I'd like to "direct" the action (like in Portal)
Daniel Korro: Yes, let's say a name in a view or in a text field on a form
Susan Zymurgy: Declan?
Andor Looby: I haven't seen the way portal does it, but there's a LotusScript API to the property broker, so anything you can write in LotusScipt to choose which property to publish...
Jaymin Carthage: Basically, you can do it, but you have to add the UI.
Daniel Korro: @Andor, I'll check into it
Jaymin Carthage: Portal has the advantage that it completely controls the UI.
Susan Zymurgy: where's the monkey?
Daniel Korro: which are the limits with Notes 8 ?
Jaymin Carthage: In a rich client it's, well, a richer experience, and the server doesn't hav ethe fidelity.
Susan Zymurgy: w're being logged
You: Why is Domino not shipped with an Application server so the CA will work on web ?
Welcome! shouts: Welcome Taylor Bracken
Andor Looby: you know how it is with Notes -- you can control use dialogs and such but you don't control every pixel
Lotusphere Questionaire: Any comments on how we can make your second life experience with us better?
Lotusphere Questionaire: Please type your answer into the chat console.
Andor Looby: that's the tradeoff for rapid development
Jaymin Carthage: notessidan, a lot of people would like that.
Jaymin Carthage: We woudl like to do that. But it's going to take a little time. It's very complex.
Daniel Korro: @Andor, absolutely right
Giuseppe Xeno: will wi see some new lotusscript classes to ease integration with the productivity editors?
You: Good question Xeno
Jaymin Carthage: Giuseppe, unfortinately there isn't right now to the best of my knowledge. :-(
Andor Looby: not sure what you mean Xeno
Welcome! shouts: Welcome Josef Prieto
Jaymin Carthage: I'm not even sure you can get to them via OLE.
Jaymin Carthage: You can put them in a composite app, though, and communicate that way.
Giuseppe Xeno: i mean: how can we integrate productivity editors with lotus notes applications?
Dominux Beery: you can't quite get to them via OLE because they are not registered
You: People do think that the integration between Notes & PE is what you get
NZ Yue: The Only problem so far I faced in IBM lotus 8 is its Heavy
Giuseppe Xeno: ole is not so easy with OO
NZ Yue: 1 gb is not enough either
Andor Looby: It ain't heavy, it's my brother
Dominux Beery: however at Lotusphere in session BP204 we did demo OLE integration of the productivity editors
Jaymin Carthage: You can always do the old deteach and launch. That works just like any other attachment. Not the best. But it works.
Daniel Korro: Xeno, with Notes 8 beta you get a PDF dedicated to integration with productivity editors. You can use that information along with java code in Lotusscript to control that
Dominux Beery: with a laptop of one of the developers
Welcome! shouts: Welcome Tashi Oh
Welcome! shouts: Welcome Doc Payne
Andor Looby: What specific classes and methods did you want, Xeno? Maybe there'a another way to do what you want
DanieleDP Aabye: for the PRINT control there are some tools?
Dominux Beery: If they turn on the OLE control of the editors then the API is the OpenOffice.org and StarOffice UNO api
Ebony Gray: thanks for the Cape
Welcome! shouts: Welcome epredator Potato
Dominux Beery: our code worked unmodified against OPenoffice.org and the productivity editors
Giuseppe Xeno: i would like to have an object model similar to the one priveded by MS office for ole integration
Welcome! shouts: Welcome Qtzar Moody
Giuseppe Xeno: so i can leverage my "ole office skill" and migrate from MS office to Productiy editors
Dominux Beery: the API is bigger and a bit more complicated than the MSoffice API
Welcome! shouts: Welcome Koed Beerbaum
Welcome! shouts: Welcome Austen Pennell
Dominux Beery: but you can wrap it with classes which abstract away the differences
Giuseppe Xeno: i know. thats why integration with OO is difficult
DanieleDP Aabye: @jaymin : for a developer web there are news? Ajax...Dojo...etc...? threre will
Bos Losee: hi Gunnar
Jaymin Carthage: I'm not sure, is there anyone here working on the web side?
Gunnar Harrop: Hi
Gunnar Harrop: Hur är lägetr
Bos Losee: nice haircut
DanieleDP Aabye: I work with web site of domino...always
Giuseppe Xeno: a lot of us works both in the client/side and the web area
Lionello Rossini: i do too
epredator Potato: hi all
Jaymin Carthage: Hey epredator!
epredator Potato: quite a gathering you have here :-)
Jaymin Carthage: Can any of you give a run down of new features for web publication in ND8?
Andor Looby: you mean for creating Domino web applications?
Jaymin Carthage: I think thta's what DanieleDP was asking baout
You: JSON support
DanieleDP Aabye: integrated AJAX suppory
DanieleDP Aabye: support
Giuseppe Xeno: standard XHTML by default
Welcome! shouts: Welcome Leonardo Cork
Leon Laurasia: hey nz!
NZ Yue: hey leon
Welcome! shouts: Welcome Ren Johin
Andor Looby: I'm not on the server side -- there's nothing new in Designer for support of web apps, but they might have made some iimprovements in how pages render, etc
NZ Yue: Join IBM Lotus Group
Leon Laurasia: ok
Leon Laurasia: how is it goin?
NZ Yue: you will get updates and share information
Leon Laurasia: kk
Qtzar Moody: there is already JSON support in 702 you just have to add something to the url. forget offhand right now
DanieleDP Aabye: @jaymin : The HTTP performance of the Domino are now best?
Giuseppe Xeno: support for gzip http would help performance a lot
Jaymin Carthage: Is there anyone from the performance group here?
Jaymin Carthage: I'm not directly familiar with the work in that area.
Welcome! shouts: Welcome Daniel Korro
Andor Looby: @jaymin might have to talk louder
Leon Laurasia: /ao on
Jaymin Carthage: He he. People are welcome to split into groups.
Jaymin Carthage: We have a big space iwth lots of corners.
Giuseppe Xeno: how can we split Jaymin?
Lotusphere Questionaire: What can make composite applications more useful for you or easier to create?
Lotusphere Questionaire: Please type your answer into the chat console.
Jaymin Carthage: Physically, it's easy. Just move into areas. Normal "talk" only extends 20m.
Jaymin Carthage: Topically, I don't know. :-)
Giuseppe Xeno: i was mening Topically :-)
Jaymin Carthage: He he. Are there any BPs here who want to talk about their solutions?
Welcome! shouts: Welcome Marge Straaf
Daniel Korro: Hey, we ran out of Bps ?
Jaymin Carthage: He he.
Jaymin Carthage: Successes, failures with the beta?
Leon Laurasia: /ao off
DanieleDP Aabye: this event for me is badly anarchical organized...
Giuseppe Xeno: the beta is nice but need to be worked out on the performance side
Welcome! shouts: Welcome Darring Asp
Daniel Korro: Yes, performance is the worst side
Nicolas Paravane: it's really slow sometimes and hangs from time to time
Jaymin Carthage: Daniele, sorry about that. I would have liked to have been more organized. But I was asked to keep it informal.
Andor Looby: there's a lot going on around performance. One thing is, I just recently fixed it so that there are fewer unneeded poublish events
Andor Looby: publish I mean
Daniel Korro: Also this is a question that I've been asking myself for years.. .why Notes client setup cant be scripted ?
Andor Looby: fewer, hopefully none. :-)
Jaymin Carthage: OK. Do you think it might be memory consumption. I think the suggested memory for the client is a lot higher.
Giuseppe Xeno: yeah, will memory footprint remain the same?
Andor Looby: It is higher, Java will do that
Jaymin Carthage: Yes, it is definately higher.
DanieleDP Aabye: @jaymin : only you are there? there are not other Lotus People in 2nd life so that we can speak about...
Nicolas Paravane: I run it in VMWare with 1024 MB dedicated for that virtual machine. That should be enouhg
Andor Looby: setup can be customized. Companies do it all the time
Jaymin Carthage: I don't see that much performance difference between 7 and 8, but I've got 2 gigs of memory.
Andor Looby: Aabye, I work for Lotus
Jaymin Carthage: Yes, there are several Loti here. But it's on a volunteer basis.
Giuseppe Xeno: with only 1gig of memory, there is a huge difference in performance, i find myself running nlnotes.exe with the R8
Jaymin Carthage: I was asked to keep it a "reception" not a "press conference". So no official representation. Just enthusiastic employees. :-)
Daniel Korro: @Andor, it depends what you mean with customized :) . I want a way to hook my: Location Creation, Homepage setup, client setup and so on .. that's not covered currently. You can just use policies but it's not straight forward
Welcome! shouts: Welcome Hawkwynd Slade
Andor Looby: I'm not an admin expert, but maybe you can find one here if you look
DanieleDP Aabye: ciao vittorio
YogoCoola Kidd shouts: Morning everyone
Daniel Korro: @Andor, can you provide an @ or LS formula for setting the home db ?
Andor Looby: Daniel, you mean instead of bookmark.nsf?
Daniel Korro: yes
Andor Looby: Not offhand -- there might be an ini var, but why do you want to? You can just put a frame in your welcome page that points to whatever app
Welcome! shouts: Welcome DanieleDP Aabye
Welcome! shouts: Welcome Erik Curtiz
Jaymin Carthage: How many people are looking at Vista for the majority of their new deployments?
Marge Straaf: ew
Daniel Korro: eh eh ... that's the point :) I'd like something better (I've expericend sometihg with Expeditor extension points)
Lotusphere Questionaire: What can make composite applications more useful for you or easier to create?
Lotusphere Questionaire: Please type your answer into the chat console.
Daniel Korro: btw, there's no INI var :
Welcome! shouts: Welcome osamu Jie
Leonardo Cork: j
Marge Straaf: don't like drm, won't do vista
Andor Looby: Perhaps you could add a composite app to the bookmark.nsf.
Giuseppe Xeno: i'm looking for os/x for myself and "stay with XP" in the near time for my clients
You: will there be a PE app or do users need to open Notes to create a word doc ?
Jaymin Carthage: How about Linux? I've heard someone actually got th eclient running on Ubuntu.
Jaymin Carthage: I think you will get desktop icons to launch the PEs.
You: I mean stand alone app
Jaymin Carthage: I did at one point.
Jaymin Carthage: OK. I'm pretty sure IBM sells them for standalone use.
Hermione Fadoodle: j
Jaymin Carthage: I just don't know if the ND8 lisence will cover that.
NZ Yue: is IBm going to increase ND8 license cost ?
You: will there be a new Notes 8 icon ?
Jaymin Carthage: He he. Do we have anyone from sales? I don't know anything about pricing. There are so many different ways it is priced.
Jaymin Carthage: I think there is a new, more 3D icon.
Nicolas Paravane: I've had problems launching the PE's from the desktop icons
You: me too
Jaymin Carthage: Really? I haven't tried recently. But I used to be on WMC before ND8 and used them all the time.
Jaymin Carthage: I did the 'write a novel in november' thing using just the PE. :-)
Andor Looby: what's your novel about?
Nicolas Paravane: The process starts but goes down after a while
Jaymin Carthage: It's was a pretty bad space opera. It was my first. That I finished anyway. Last year's one was better. :-)
Giuseppe Xeno: PE are a nice improvement over OO but still not to the the "friendliness" of MS office
You: If I create a composite app , how will this look in R7
Andor Looby: less friendly because, no puppy?
Jaymin Carthage: You cannot view a composite app in N7 as a composite app.
Jaymin Carthage: All the notes components are still usable as normal notes components though.
Andor Looby: Yao, the composite app is ignored in 7 and it just opens as a regular app
You: I know , but what wll the R7 user see ?
Jaymin Carthage: We could add a paperclip? Would that be friendly? :-)
You: ok, thanks
Jaymin Carthage: Sorry, I think they will get a view like a blank application.
Andor Looby: one thing
Giuseppe Xeno: paperclip could be the killer feature
Jaymin Carthage: I can try right now...
Andor Looby: because the CA is a launch option, you don't get to specify the regular launch option
Andor Looby: unless you specify it to a frameset and set the frameset to launch the CA
Jaymin Carthage: That's an interesting trick. Maybe we should blog about it.
Andor Looby: we?
Jaymin Carthage: The Comp App team. Niklas's blog.
Taylor Bracken: How do we find out about other events like this one?
Andor Looby: you can see it in the mail file. It works much the same in Standard and Basic client
Taylor Bracken: Is there a blog / websites?
Nicolas Paravane: When will the nsf template for update site be available?
Andor Looby: @Taylor, watch LDD?
Jaymin Carthage: There isn't a specific blog about Lotus Events in Second Life.
Jaymin Carthage: But this got posted in many of the general Lotus blogs.
Jaymin Carthage: I'm also starting a blog about Business in Second Life in a few weeks.
ChristopherS Snook: How can I change my label above, so that it reflects my real name?
Jaymin Carthage: Unfortuately you can't change your name in Second Life.
Jaymin Carthage: But you can create an object, like Notessidan and Qtrar that puts up some text.
ChristopherS Snook: But how do you get those labels, like "Lotusphere architect" or "IBM Lotus Group"?
Nicolas Paravane: join a group
Jaymin Carthage: You can belong to groups in Second life.
Welcome! shouts: Welcome Jam Boucher
Jaymin Carthage: They work sort of like your ACL in Notes.
Jaymin Carthage: "Lotusphere Architect" is the title for the group that maintains this parcel here.
Jaymin Carthage: But they can be purely social groups.
Nicolas Paravane: @Jaymin When will the nsf template for update sites be available?
Jaymin Carthage: NZ Yue is setting up a Lotus Group for interested Lotus techies. It's not maintenence related.
ChristopherS Snook: I see. understood!
ChristopherS Snook: thx for the info
Daniel Korro: @Nicolas, it's already available
Jaymin Carthage: Nicolas, it isn't already? I thoughg it was out there.
NZ Yue: thanx jaymin for clarification
Nicolas Paravane: sorry, must have missed it
Qtzar Moody: isn;t the update sites template already in the notes 8 beta. part of the server download
Daniel Korro: @Nicolas it's in the domino 8 server package
Jaymin Carthage: I rmember Niklas blogging about it. I haven't had the chance to hunt it down yet.
Nicolas Paravane: ok
Nicolas Paravane: thanks
Jaymin Carthage: We'll be using it as one of the forms the ISV sample app will be delivered with.
Andor Looby: Seems IBM Lotus Group is open to all, select Edit / Groups and press Search
Jaymin Carthage: Do you want to talk a bit, NZ, about the IBM Lotus Group and what you hope to do with it in Second Life?
Nicolas Paravane is Offline
Jaymin Carthage: In general the Lotusphere build here as been (informally) available to customers wanting to meet and talk about Lotus products in Second Life.
Welcome! shouts: Welcome CraigMan Wise
Jaymin Carthage: We're discussing a formal redesign of the space and want to build in such facilities. Suggestions welcome.
Jaymin Carthage: Has anyone been looking at implementing dual purpose plugins for both ST 7.5 and ND8?
Welcome! shouts: Welcome Flemming Congrejo
You: What has been changed regarding html rendering in the Notes 8 client ?
Jaymin Carthage: I think you have more options now.
Jaymin Carthage: Previously you just had the embedded browsers.
Daniel Korro: Jaymin, I've been doing cross-client plugins, but the JVM limitation is a killer
Andor Looby: Do we have anyone who knows?
Daniel Korro: the DB2 JDBC Driver doesn't wokr
Jaymin Carthage: Now that it's based on Eclipse you also have SWT browser control.
You: but will the notesclient support full HTML and CSS
Fasperk Larsen: hej
Fasperk Larsen: hej
Jaymin Carthage: I just added a Managed Broswer component to my comp app and linked it to the rest to display the web page of the selected company.
Marge Straaf: sorry
Jaymin Carthage: Daniel, please get back to me with what APIs are missing that you would like. I know someone who is trying to collect them so we can add the ones people most want.
Fasperk Larsen: Intet
Andor Looby: full CSS, no.
Jaymin Carthage: (my e-mail address is in my profile)
Andor Looby: let me use my telepathic power to find someone who knows more specifically
Fasperk Larsen: Det kr¦ver jo, at man kender til beta'en før man kan stille spørgsmål
Daniel Korro: Can you tell something about the embedded xulrunner ?
Jaymin Carthage: He he. I've heard discussions about that.
Daniel Korro: Can you explain why use the JCL Desktop jvm ?
Jaymin Carthage: But mostly about lisencing and what samples we can an cannot show.
Jaymin Carthage: JCL Desktop was mostly done for performance and footprint.
Jaymin Carthage: By having a cut down JVM, we decrease the amount of memory it takes up.
Jaymin Carthage: For example, there are very few use cases that need AWT when running under Eclipse.
Daniel Korro: Jaymin, this is clear but it's killing us ... (No generics ...)
Jaymin Carthage: Ah, as in the features of Java as opposed to the libraries?
Dominux Beery is Online
Daniel Korro: that would help
Daniel Korro: a lot :)
Jaymin Carthage: it's easier to support language features than libraries without being detrimental to the memory profile.
Jaymin Carthage: I came up with a really dumb workaround: I shelled out to the system JVM to play my sound. :-)
Jaymin Carthage: Since I only sparodically need to do it, it wasn't a big impact. Not a solutoin for most things though.
Daniel Korro: @Jay, understand but don't like this solution
Jaymin Carthage: No, it's a dumb solution! I agree.
Olivier Hildyard: What's about SL plug-in for Sametime ? public availability ?
Jaymin Carthage: Another approach is what they did in JCL desktop for sound is support a single type of sound format.
You: I saw a demo of Component Designer at Lotussphere that looked like Domino Designer, how is that work going ?
Daniel Korro: but, what about older agents (notes) built in java ? Is the standard client jvm shared for the agents runtime too ?
Jaymin Carthage: If you can limit yourslef to that format, I think you might be OK.
Jaymin Carthage: Component Designer is coming along fine and on schedule. I think it is due out soon. The components it creates can be used with ND8.
You: great
Jaymin Carthage: Older Java agents will work exactly the same. I'll have to check out the JVM usage. We may still have them run with their own JVM.
Jaymin Carthage: Ify ou click on my Sametime speech bubble you will get a notecard about it.
Andor Looby: Yao, I've found someone who can talk to your HTML questions. Please hang around
Jaymin Carthage: It is not public. I hope to get it on the Sametime Plugin Exchange someday.
Daniel Korro: So in Notes 8: JCL Desktop for the client + NLNotes.exe + JVM in NlNotes
Olivier Hildyard: ok, i hope too ;-)
You: Is the "Domino Designer Composite deisgner" a seperate product or is it just a layout in Compoenent Designer ?
Jaymin Carthage: @Daniel, could be. I'd have to check it out. It seems a bit convoluted. But so would revlaidating all existing java agents with JCL desktop!
Daniel Korro: ok ok :)
Jaymin Carthage: @Olivier, contact me later if you are a plugin developer. The big thing holding me back in a LDAP plugin to associate RL anames with SL names.
Jaymin Carthage: @Notessidan, let me give a run down of tools. It confuses a lot of people.
Daniel Korro: About ST ... I begun yestarday looking into SL RPC, we could build a SL <--> RL gateway for awareness
Welcome! shouts: Welcome notessidan Yao
Welcome! shouts: Welcome Amati Hyun
Jaymin Carthage: Sim crash.
You: yes
Jaymin Carthage: I guess next time we get a corner sim auditorium.
You: Did you do the product presentation
Daniel Korro: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
Jaymin Carthage: Product presentation? At Lotusphere? I was there, but with the ISV team.
Welcome! shouts: Welcome Susan Zymurgy
Jaymin Carthage: Yep. Sim crash. I need to host it in a corner lot next time.
You: no, I mean you was saying somehitng about Component Designer
NZ Yue: jaymin
Jaymin Carthage: Sorry, I was going to go through the tools.
Welcome! shouts: Welcome Olivier Hildyard
NZ Yue: as ur into ISV
NZ Yue: i have few queries , as we are an IBM business partner
Jaymin Carthage: Lotus Component Designer is a tool for creating basic components. It will create portelts for web apps or rich ones for the rich client.
NZ Yue: we develop applications on domino
Jaymin Carthage: It's nifty that way, but a little constrained.
Jaymin Carthage: NZ, sure, ask away!
Jaymin Carthage: But if you only required light weight stuff, it can be a good solution.
Jaymin Carthage: I have not used it myself, but we have someone in our group who leads it up for ISVs.
Welcome! shouts: Welcome LotusGeek Wise
Welcome! shouts: Welcome Letitia Coppola
Lotusphere Questionaire: Any comments on how we can make your second life experience with us better?
Lotusphere Questionaire: Please type your answer into the chat console.
Jaymin Carthage: But in addition to the classic Notes Client/Domino Designer, ther eare a few extensions.
Jaymin Carthage: On the client side, you have the Composite Application Editor.
Jaymin Carthage: CAE.
Jaymin Carthage: This was done on the client side since the model we are pursiing is that non-super-technical people can _assemble_ composite applictions.
Jaymin Carthage: We didn't want them to have to use designer.
Jaymin Carthage: On the designer side, you have a few small extensions where you can mark things as eithe rproperties or actions, and some extra LotusScirpt calls.
Jaymin Carthage: And then there is a WSDL editor plugin that lets you edit the WSDL files that declare propertie and actions.
Jaymin Carthage: You only need the Eclipse development environment if you are going to be creating Java components.
Andor Looby: we're trying to do as much as we can without editing the design, and then if you have to edit the design, without writing code.
Jaymin Carthage: Yes. For example, you can nominate a view to publish its value by just checking a checkbox in the info box.
LotusGeek Wise: Hey Andor, I am here
Jaymin Carthage: There are certain default actions, such as "filter this view by the first column". That's been quit ehandy in our composite app.
Jaymin Carthage: Sorry, the ISV sample app.
Andor Looby: hawdy
Jaymin Carthage: For example we just take a normal categorized view, say Sales Leads by Company, and deploy it as a component view.
Jaymin Carthage: We have another selection component that publishes the company name.
Jaymin Carthage: We then wire that company name to the filter for that view and we can then see just the leads for that company when it is selected.
Welcome! shouts: Welcome Nelson Milner
LotusGeek Wise: lol, nice outfite
Andor Looby: thanks -- how do you whisper?
LotusGeek Wise: send an im i think
Jaymin Carthage: Ctrl-Enter?
LotusGeek Wise: /whisper hey
Jaymin Carthage shouts: testing
Jaymin Carthage: Nope. That's shout.
Jaymin Carthage: :-)
Jaymin Carthage: NZ. You had a question?
Andor Looby: Yao, this geek man knows something about HTML in the client
Jaymin Carthage: Hey Amilvz! Welcome!
NZ Yue: its regarding SAP Domino Integration
Jaymin Carthage: We didn't get any expeditor questions today. :-(
Jaymin Carthage: NZ, OK. That's a popular one. :-)
Daniel Korro: Are you looking for expeditor questions ?
LotusGeek Wise: Nz, I am the developer and archiect of that
NZ Yue: wow
LotusGeek Wise: Notes/SAP integration - the Notes access for SAP solutions product - is mine
Jaymin Carthage: Amilvz works on the expeditor team.
Daniel Korro: Oh, that's great ..
You: Ok, If I send an mail containg HTML and CSS to a Notes 6/7 client the client will not understand the style
Lotusphere Questionaire: Any comments on how we can make your second life experience with us better?
Lotusphere Questionaire: Please type your answer into the chat console.
You: will this improve in R8
Daniel Korro: Hello
NZ Yue: its abt regading licensing
LotusGeek Wise: ok
Andor Looby: more chairs....
NZ Yue: one of my customer is using lotus domino and using SAP as well
Daniel Korro: Jaymin told me you work on Expeditor, is this right ?
NZ Yue: now they want to integrate there SAP Hr with domino
NZ Yue: they have 1 SAP license
NZ Yue: and 1000 lotus licenses
NZ Yue: now they want to transport data
Andor Looby: oops -- the geek has fled
Jaymin Carthage: Might have crashed. The new client has been doing that to me.
Jaymin Carthage: It overheats my laptop.
Andor Looby: I had an issue too.
NZ Yue: ywah it have a problem
Andor Looby: Laptop? You have a laptop with a graphics card compatible with SL?
Giuseppe Xeno: must be a NEW laptop
Jaymin Carthage: I'm using a T60p. With the latest drivers it works.
NZ Yue: yes i ve laptop with 512 nvidia grafix card too
Jaymin Carthage: He he. Someone in my group got budget at the end of last year.
Jaymin Carthage: Impressive.
Andor Looby: hm. just got a T60p, I'll have to try it.
Jaymin Carthage: It's not a big widescreen one, but that's OK for me.
Jaymin Carthage: Do get the latest drivers from Levono. It made a huge difference.
NZ Yue: ok people
Jaymin Carthage: I should check for new ones actually. It's been a while.
NZ Yue: it was pleasure meeting u all
NZ Yue: hope to see u all soon
Jaymin Carthage: THank you for coming NZ. Good luck with the group!
NZ Yue: tghanx jaymin
Andor Looby: Yue, if he doesn't come back you can send your question to me by email and I'll see what I can find out
NZ Yue: hoope all of us can give it a big suceess
Andor Looby: In real life I'm Andre Gurard
Andor Looby: Guirard
NZ Yue: plz
NZ Yue: can u gimme ur email addrss
You: If you are having display problems changing some options in display preferences
NZ Yue: can i send you the proposal that i send to my customer ?
Andor Looby: if it's short. I have plenty to read already. I would prefer a question.
Andor Looby: /nod
NZ Yue: sure
NZ Yue: i send it to techline as well
NZ Yue: but no reply yet since 15 days
Andor Looby: not sure who techline is, but there's also the dW forums
NZ Yue: i am forwarding you an email
NZ Yue: its only 5 liner
NZ Yue: u can have totally understanding by that
Andor Looby: Folks, I need to fly....
Jaymin Carthage: Thanks for coming Andor!
Welcome! shouts: Welcome Florent Upshaw
Jaymin Carthage: Much appreciated!
Welcome! shouts: Welcome Andor Looby
Jaymin Carthage: Well I guess we can say today that we stressed Second Life to it's limits! :-)
Jaymin Carthage: Hopefully next time we can have some more official topics.
Dominux Beery is Online
NZ Yue: thanx andor
NZ Yue: i sent u an email
NZ Yue: and thanx again for suppor t
You: Yes, thank you Jaymin
Jaymin Carthage: Andor had to go. But I'll pass that on.
NZ Yue: see ya all
Jaymin Carthage: He he. I'm just happy to have SL intersect with my day job! I got sucked into vounteer work last year.
Jaymin Carthage: See you NZ.
Jaymin Carthage: I'm not sure the medium is mature enough yet to get as much value as we could get out of it. But it's worth experimenting.
Jaymin Carthage: One thing I've been playing with is a sideshelf plugin for Notes.
Jaymin Carthage: You compose data in the spreadsheet PE and then select several fields.
Jaymin Carthage: Instead of creating a normal 2D chart, you drag it to the sideshelf and drop it on a SL integration widget.
Jaymin Carthage: You can select from a number of forms of 3D charts, and it then projects it into Second Life.
Jaymin Carthage: You can then view your data in "true" 3D, fly around it, etc.
Olivier Hildyard: ciao NZ
Welcome! shouts: Welcome Sandra Swot
Giuseppe Xeno: 2nd life is nice but still immature, we saw what appened today when there was a lot of people
Jaymin Carthage: Yes. I didn't expect more than 50. And it's _supposed_ to gracefully degrade!
Daniel Korro: Giuseppe, Jaymin is a crazy guy ;) Isn't him ?
Jaymin Carthage: He he.
Giuseppe Xeno: he is! but experiments like this are a good thing
Jaymin Carthage: But if some 3D platform is going to be ubiquitious in 10 years, better to learn it all now.
Jaymin Carthage: Someone was asking me on IM earlier why we bothered building buildings.
Daniel Korro: Absolutely agreed
Jaymin Carthage: 3D UI is very new. Why have stairs if you can fly? Well, if you don't have stairs, how do people know there is an upstairs?
Jaymin Carthage: I describe the IBM islands here like a 3D wiki.
Jaymin Carthage: We're trying all sorts of things out. Trying to see what works.
Jaymin Carthage: We're not going to get it right the first time.
Giuseppe Xeno: architatecture has to be a bit different anyway.... i mean: do we need a roof?
Jaymin Carthage: Yep. And 'accessibiliy' takes on whole new meanings.
Jaymin Carthage: My friend built a room once which was fine, till her friend with a jaguar avatar tried to get in.
Giuseppe Xeno: yeah, like leaving a speace between floors on skyscrapers so that people can "fly in"
Jaymin Carthage: I heard of a talk given to a librarian friend of mine years ago about the web.
Jaymin Carthage: He compared it to when cars were invented.
Jaymin Carthage: They were, literally, "horseless carriages". I.e. a horse carriage without the horse.
Jaymin Carthage: You then had a flurry of wild design. Much of it very odd to modern hindsight.
Jaymin Carthage: And eventually they settled on standard things like windscreen wipers, rear view mirrors, turn signals and everything we expect in a car today.
Jaymin Carthage: I think the "3D internet" is at the same point.
Giuseppe Xeno: we are just at the begging of a "real" metaverse. MUD from our experience are not the same
Giuseppe Xeno: and games have a different kind of use
Jaymin Carthage: True. You might say that MUDs were the precursor to Instant Messaging.
Giuseppe Xeno: so there will be a lot of wrong turns before we find a good way to live in 2nd life
Jaymin Carthage: I agree. There will be a lot of things I do differently if I get to run another client meeting like this!
Giuseppe Xeno: they where, i remember MUDing the whay years later chatted on IRC
Jaymin Carthage: He he.
Giuseppe Xeno: i think seats could be a good idea
Jaymin Carthage: What I like most about SL is that it reminds me of the original MOO, where you could actually build things in it.
Giuseppe Xeno: so people can be more stable in a place
Jaymin Carthage: The trouble isthat with peopel coming and going, the seats have to be dynamic.
Jaymin Carthage: I've seen a table that rezzes seats as more people arrive, but I think it's limit is 8.
Jaymin Carthage: It might be an idea to use the 3 platforms at the back for discussion areas about three specific topics.
Jaymin Carthage: have a greeter direct people accordingly.
Giuseppe Xeno: maybe for 2nd live there are pratical limits for the number of concurrent people that can attend a "barcamp" style meeting like that
Jaymin Carthage: But i had a staff of "one" for this. And some nice volunteers. :-)
Giuseppe Xeno: yes, so you can just segmentate the people and keep the number limited

Enjoy
Thomas Adrian
http://www.notessidan.se


Feedback number WEBB72UF8E created by Thomas Adrian on 05/03/2007

Status: Open
Comments:





Printer-friendly

Search this forum

Member Tools


RSS Feeds

 RSS feedsRSS
All forum posts RSS
All main topics RSS
More Lotus RSS feeds

Resources

 Resources
Forum use and etiquette
Native Notes Access
Web site Feedback

Lotus Support


 Lotus Support
IBM Support Portal - Lotus software
Lotus Support documents
Lotus support by product
Lotus support downloads
Lotus support RSS feeds

Wikis

 Wikis
IBM Composite Applications
IBM Mashup Center
IBM Connections
IBM Connections Cloud Developers
IBM Docs
IBM Forms
IBM Mobile Connect
IBM Sametime
IBM SmartCloud for Social Business
IBM Web Experience Factory
Lotus Domino
Lotus Domino Designer
Lotus Expeditor
Lotus Foundations
Lotus iNotes
Lotus Instructor Community Courseware
Lotus Notes
Lotus Notes & Domino Application Development
Lotus Notes Traveler
Lotus Protector
Lotus Quickr
Lotus Symphony
IBM Web Content Manager
WebSphere Portal

Lotus Forums


 Lotus Forums
Notes/Domino 9.0
Notes/Domino 8.5 + Traveler
Notes/Domino XPages development forum
Notes/Domino 8
Notes/Domino 6 and 7
IBM Connections
IBM Mobile Connect
IBM Sametime
IBM SmartCloud Notes
Lotus Enterprise Integration
Lotus Protector
Lotus Quickr
Lotus SmartSuite