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Jun 23, 2017, 2:16 PM
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Old-timer once-expert thinking of getting back into Domino has some general questions

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Hi People,

The last time I worked on a Domino project was 2002. At the time, I was pretty well-rounded in terms of application development and admin having been with the product since version 3. I'm thinking about maybe checking it out again and have a couple of questions if you don't mind...

How is the market for Domino these days?

What would be the recommended download if I want to check it out?

Any other comments related to this idea are welcomed.

Many thanks.

Jun 24, 2017, 11:01 AM
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I thought this post was a joke or something. The market for Domino is fast disappearing. My company is moving away from the platform. IBM CLEARLY is not interested in Domino at all. 

Don't waste your time, look into something else.

Jun 24, 2017, 4:29 PM
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Might be ok to good in the short term, do you have web/Java skills?
I know I have lots of XPages work. Yes, you need to know Domino but also Java, JavaScript, and mostly web skills. Most of my sites are Bootstrap enabled, so, that is a skill set by itself.

So, if you have been doing web stuff (development) the last few years than your Domino skills might be worth resurrecting. If not, the journey to refresh your Domino skills and then learn Java, web, etc. might not be worth the investment.

On the admin side while many companies are moving from Notes mail, they often still have may servers still up for the apps. I would not say the market is hot but there is a demand for admins. It will depend on where you live too.... (and if you have a security clearance.) The DC area is always looking for admins.


Jun 25, 2017, 11:07 AM
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Thanks for the responses...

LOL. Bryan, I'm not surprised you thought it was a joke. I started with Notes when Windows 3.1 came out 'revolutionizing' the PC. It's too bad because Notes was an incredible platform for rapid development. Its major downfall, IMO, was that the design was scattered all over the place and I wonder what would have happened if someone had the vision to sort things out a bit. Nevertheless, here we are almost twenty years later and it is still around. Still frustrating people by the sound of it. I remember developing with a colleague from our consulting firm, this was at Pfizer when they were still in trials for using Viagra for hair loss. Anyway, every five minutes we would turn to each other and say "Notes blows!". But it was a good gig, worked with great people.

Howard, thanks for your response. Except for Java, I have good skills in all the technologies you mention. I started poking around with CouchDb as well a couple of years ago as it seemed Notesish although it is really the back end only. Unfortunately, I am only able to do remote work at this time and I have been out of the workforce since, well... 2002. I think I'll do some reading on XPages and then decide whether to download the trial since it is only a 90 day license although I seem to recall that being said about the Notes trial download at one time but it wasn't actually enforced. Can I ask in what context you do development? Do you do applications or more like web sites? For public or private clients?

Many thanks!

Jun 26, 2017, 9:25 AM
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The Domino Designer is not a limited trial
The Domino Designer is a free license, not limited in time frame.

My development is all web related, both intranet and internet sites. It ranges from complete websites (the majority of the site is XPages) to a specific application. For new applications I mostly use Bootstrap and try to do most of the back end development in Java (ie very little Server Side JS). Basically, what you probably did before with LotusScript in buttons/agents, etc. I do with Java.

Jun 26, 2017, 6:58 AM
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I don't think IBM will stop Notes so fast

Having worked on Notes for more than 20 years, I do not think IBM will give up Notes. At least I hope so Wink


First of all, IBM has changed the name of it : Lotus Notes has become IBM Notes. This doesn't sound as IBM will put it away.

When I attend User workshops I do not have the feeling Notes is old fashioned.

But what is true is that not a lot of companies / people are using it.

This is also true that lot of companies are moving to another platform.

Due to this there is a lack of skilled people on that field.

So planning a reconversion to this platform may not be a bad idea.

Check with a local IBM representative. You might be surprised.


From another point of view, it is true that web productions has a growth rate that pure Notes applications will never ever reach.

So XPages would be a good choice.


Regarding the download, IBM changed its policy and Notes client is no more downloadable unless as a trial version (time limited).


And by the way: "oldtimer" has nothing to do with skills and experience Cool


Whishing you good luck.


Jun 26, 2017, 12:23 PM
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Hey Michael, I vaguely remember your name from back then.

Domino is probably not something you'd want to stake a career on, but it's still doing things other systems don't do.

Xpages would be the big addition if you haven't been there.

Also, I've found a great deal more I can do now that @Eval & Evaluate work pretty generally. My apps have got much, much more flexible & can accommodate customer requests for change in a tenth or even less time than in 2000. I avoid @Commands and ":=" statements; the expected substitutes now work, rock-solid; and stuff just works.

Again, welcome back, however much you get a chance to do.

Jun 27, 2017, 7:58 PM
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Thanks for the responses...

Many thanks for all the helpful comments guys! All the best and I'll see you around if I delve into the xPages for sure I'll have some questions.

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